Some background

When they're not busy designing pride flags the folx at Microsoft spend their time coding shitty software. Among these is the new Windows Terminal.

Casey Muratori is a programmer who, despite never releasing anything, clearly considers himself to be some kind of genius.

With that out of the way, here's the drama:

ACT 1: THE ISSUE

Frustrated with the slowness of Windows Terminal when printing colors, Casey submits a github issue. He even develops a benchmark application to accurately measure the speed.

After a bit of back and forth Casey starts to becomes frustrated:

Am I missing something? Why is all this stuff with "runs of characters" happening at all? Why would you ever need to separate the background from the foreground for performance reasons? It really seems like most of the code in the parser/renderer part of the terminal is unnecessary and just slows things down. What this code needs to do is extremely simple and it seems like it has been massively overcomplicated.

He receives this legendary response:

I believe what you’re doing is describing something that might be considered an entire doctoral research project in performant terminal emulation as “extremely simple” somewhat combatively. I am not aware of the body of work around performant GPU terminal emulation

Casey gets angry:

When we're at the stage when something that can be implemented in a weekend is described as "a doctoral research project", and then I am accused of "impugning the reader" for describing something as simple that is extremely simple, we're done. Consider the bug report closed.

After which a different Microsoft employee goes in on him:

You were overly confident in your opinion, but I hope [what I linked] helps you understand that it's actually really darn hard.

Basically the whole team agrees that what is being asked of them is extremely difficult. While Casey is insistent that it's trivially simple.

So who is right? A team of senior engineers in a trillion dollar company or a reclusive game dev?

ACT 2: A WEEKEND PROJECT

Casey tweets the following:

I take back literally everything I said about Microsoft taking an interest in fixing their terminal.https://t.co/K9ojvy1liX

— Casey Muratori (@cmuratori) June 17, 2021

And, over the following weekend, he implements from scratch a terminal that works in the way he proposed. It's ~100x faster than Windows Terminal:

(video timestamped to the part with the pretty colors, although the rest is fun too)

Twitter thread with some juicy questions from the audiance

Then this happens:

Afterward, the same dev [lhecker] also used a fake name to hang out on our groomercord and talk about Windows Terminal without telling anyone who he was. I figured it out and confronted them, and they failed to see anything wrong with that behavior. It's a really special team they have there.

— Casey Muratori (@cmuratori) May 6, 2022

ACT 3: MICROSOFT BENDS THE KNEE

Over the following months, there is an embarrassed silence from the Microsoft team. Eventually they release a blogpost basically admitting they were wrong, but don't mention Casey by name. Note that the person making the post is the one who snuck into Casey's groomercord.

Casey tweets:

When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided", being "somewhat combative" and am "impugning the reader". But a year later when they call the exact same thing "trivial", that is just, you know, them writing a blog post:https://t.co/AXrgZjvUPT pic.twitter.com/UTDrD9s0o6

— Casey Muratori (@cmuratori) May 6, 2022

And finally one of them makes a post on Hacker News seething about the whole thing. Quotes:

We get it, Microsoft sucks, we should all be fired, rah rah rah.

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Casey, I'm sorry. We made a mistake. I made a mistake! We didn't know what we didn't know, and thought we were clever enough to pass for it.

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I just don't know what else he's asking for here. Credit? Us to die screaming? The blog post is matter-of-fact, and Casey is right: however, he said himself that it was trivial to do this. Is it not acceptable that we use the same language?

Truly a new low for Microsoft.

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Want more nerd drama? See the previous post in this series.

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Introduction

In 1991, a group of 13 individuals bought a small piece of land in the middle of the desolate and dry desert of South Africa. This group had dreams and hopes of creating a prospering town for its people. However since its establishment, the town has been in an endless cycle of controversy with journoids all across the globe and the South African goverment sneeding that the town is an abomination that shouldn't exist. That town is Oriana.

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Knowledge is Power

We must educate and familiarize ourselves with these terms:

• Afrikaan - Colonizing Mayos who originated from germany, france, or the Netherlands

• Boer - Means farmer but is used interchangeably with Afrikaan since most of them were farmers

• Volkstaat - A proposed view to establish an all-white Afrikaner homeland within the borders of South Africa, most commonly proposed as a fully independent Boer/Afrikaner nation. The concept excludes Afrikaans-speaking coloureds and South Africans of English ancestry, yet is sometimes misunderstood to include them.

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The Birth of a Nation Town

Shortly after the end of Apartheid in South Africa in the early 90's, The goverment of South Africa attempted to move forward in bringing all the diverse amd vibrant communities together in pursuit of a functional multicultural society.

Afrikaans realizing that they'll lose their majority rule and would have a harder time passing legislation, decided the best way to show umbrage with the new rules was to seperate and create an ethnically monogamous country of their own kind within South Africa. Unfournately for those Afrikaans they had virtually no chance in their conquest for land against the SA military and general population.

An example image of the Volkstaat the Afrikaan dreamed of creating:

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But those subversive Afrikaans noticed a loop hole in the document (and later the constitution) "Accord on Afrikaner self-determination" that they could exploit to their advantage. Specifically the following amendment dealing with minority groups:

The Constitution may give expression to any particular form of self-determination provided there is substantial proven support within the community concerned for such a form of self-determination.

There's an excessive amount of legal jargon that we're gonna skip over because its boring . The key take away is that this allowed for Orania to legally create its own pseudo-Apartheid community. That's exactly what the Mayos Afrikaans of Orania did.

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Afrikaan Utopia

The original purpose of Orania was to form a self reliant society that was built from only the labor of purebred Afrikaans living in their town. Well technically, the original purpose of Orania was to expand in population and create a majority of Afrikaans in the northwestern cape within 15 years after the establishment of Orania. But, this plan was dropped due to Orania population not being able to breed enough and never reaching a population count of more than 3,000 individuals. It never even began for infertile mayos

However, that isn't to say that the community was a total failure. In 1991, the town was formed by 13 individuals and in [current year] has reached a decent population size of 2,377. The town has made significant progress in growing its economy, especially due to the fact the town is located in the middle of nowhere in a desert.

Their main agriculture export is also pecans

Oriana has also created its own currency (but no one outside of the town recognizes it):

Alongside their own currency, they also have their own president and flag:

Flag is a bit weird looking, but what do you expect from mayos

Additionally, every house in Orania is built with solar power. This is one of their steps to becoming self-reliant and eco friendly:

Article Link

So instead of being regular facist chuds they're eco-facist chuds

Orania is expectionally selective in choosing which residents can move and live there. Generally several requirements have to be met to be granted permission to move there. These include:

• Passing several criminal background checks

• Having Afrikaan ancestry

• Passing an Afrikaan culture test

• Interviews with the Orania council members

The requirements ensures that the majority of the town is full of mayos. The diabolical plan was beyond successful. As of 2021 the current makeup of Orania is 97% Afrikaans (Yikes ). Weirdly enough this has led to Orania having such a low crime rate that the town doesn't even have a police station. .

The town itself is very small with the total land of it being only 3.5 square miles. Orania currently has plans to reach a population of 10,000 and undergo urbanization in an effort to spread the cultural ideals of the Afrikaan "people".

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Born from Sneed

Since it's inception, Orania has been constantly scrutinized and sneeded at for having too much mayonnaise in its town. I'm not even exaggerating either. Every year mutiple sneed articles are written about this literally who town across the world from j*urnoids that dont even live there.

Here's a new york times article from 1994 talking about it. The article also contains this hilarious passage:

Mr. Vaughn, 33, said he moved here [Orania] from Los Angeles after being arrested for child abuse in the beating of his 5-year-old son. "Ach, you can't even give your child a hiding there," he said of the land he left behind. He came to Orania two years ago because he admired the "Calvinist values" and racial outlook, and was warmly welcomed with his wife, Brenda, and five children. A few neighbors objected when they learned Brenda Vaughn is three-sixteenths Cherokee, but, said Mr. Vaughn, "I threatened to beat a few people up and it died down."

History truly is beautiful

Here are some relevant modern takes sneeding about Orania:

As expected, sneed about this town has been growing every year as the world is forced learning to embrace diversity (Our greatest strength!).

The South African goverment has sneeded at Orania every year and wants the town to be shutdown permanently and to accept South Africa's rainbow nationalism policy. But the town people just ignore the SA government since they have never taken action once against the town since its creation 21 years ago

Panyaza Lesufi is a parliment member that despises Orania so much that he's called for the abolition of the city full of "mindless racists". Weirdly enough, the majority of the Orania population don't even consider themselves white but rather Afrikaan.

Let's head to the some current year drama of this irrelevant town

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Twitter Drama

Recently there was post on this site that revolved around a fragile mayo strangling a black boy for swimming in a mayos only pool. This conflict sparked discourse about racism within South Africa, and of course people began discussing Orania:

Orania must be banned, we cannot have a white only town in South Africa, not acceptable. If white people want to live on their own, they must go to Europe, not in Africa.

Based. Everyone should stay in whatever country their born and never be allowed to move or immigrate

Imagine going to live far away in the desert, just to be left alone, only to still be pathologically obsessed over by people who can't even find you on a map if they were given 1000 guesses.

This guy is unironically right. For all the news coverage and sneed that Orania gets for being on stolen land, they occupy only 3.5 square miles. But they live rent free in the minds of the South African population.

It’s private land, surely they can do what they like on private land? They are not disturbing anyone, living peacefully in their own space and retaining their culture. Why such chest pains over a tiny little place that has no bearing on your life at all?

Bullshit, we have many different races and cultures in this country, and no one stops a particular race from practicing their culture in our multiracial society. These Afrikaners in Orania are racist, we must stop them

Every race should be able to practice their culture except the ones I dont like!

We must go build our houses there and turn it into a city

"If they won't accept willingly, than we'll make them accept us with force"

What Our Grandfather's Failed To Do During Apartheid, We Need To Start Reminding White People They Are European And South Africa Belongs To Black South Africans We Will Not Shrink Ourselves To Accommodate Them The Soil Is Ours We Can No Longer Entertain European Rejects.

Europe has loads of black people now, who ran away from their leaders and they live there in peace. Are you saying they must also come back ?

You don't see us over there harassing white people because of their skin color you don't see us forcefully taking land from the poor causing division because we are not sick in the head like you mfs to think we deserve it all and other humans don't matter now argue about that

Lmao at European rejects

South Africans need to understand that so long as govt endorsed separatists towns like Orania exists, we will Never root out racism. Government has rubber stamped white supremacy We made racists feel comfortable in our own land. The fault is ours and those we voted for.

We cannot have whites showing they can run an efficient village without government funding . Makes us look bad

Volkstaat is an account of an Orania citizen. They post constant updates about the town and the different projects the townspeople are working on. Great place to find drama since people are always sneeding in the comments

There seems to be a misconception that Orania is some magical utopia where everything functions automatically. No. We work hard to keep it going and continue to build our city. It is very demanding to live here. We pay for it all and do all the work.

That's our land you must return it or pay rent for that piece of land

The Afrikaners actually did purchase the land from the South African goverment before they established their chud-town. It also led to the displacement of about 500 African individuals who lived there. However, I feel that the goverment is more to blame for this but who knows?

Oranians install a water meter. All labour is done with our own hands. We have worked very hard to get to this point. So much more to do but we are proud of our BIG little town.

Enjoy your little town while it last foreigners

What did he mean by this?

Making new roads in Orania. Our humble town is a massive construction site. A home for the Afrikaner.

Develop my guy... tell us when you are done then we invade our land

So you cannot develop where you staying? harrasing a small town who just want do better themselves? you call yourself a man of God?

Racism has no place in this world

Anyway, you say you want to take the land? Just to give you perspective, looking up into Africa, many own land, but still VERY POOR. Land does not make you rich. Creating value does.

Oh that's what he meant

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Reddit Drama

Some dramatic reddit threads on Orania:

Reddit Thread Link

So they segregated, themselves?

Yeah and given how they are treated by their peers, I can’t really blame them.

Won’t someone please think it the racists!!!” How is this back bush shit upvoted??

well considering apartheid south africa and these communities actively defending it…they deserve everything they get lol 🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️

Most of these people weren't even born when it was abolished tough?

your point is? You think there isnt a knock on effect of past events in modern society?

If we want to move forward as a society we must hold grudge and hate from years ago and never let people forget what their ancestors did (This but unironically)

As a white South African speaking on behalf of most other whites in this country, we don't approve of these communities. Every country has its bad apples, and it's sad that others have to feel guilty for their nonsense, but hey, it is what it is.

Why? Shouldn’t people be allowed to decide who can be in their community?

Thats called discrimination buddy

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Final Thoughts

So far the fate of Orania and its Afrikaan individuals reamins unknown. The hate for the town grows every year from South African citizens and the government but it looks like it's going to go nowhere in the next couple of years based on past trends.

If you do have time, you should definitely check out the history page on wikipedia or other sites. There's a lot I couldn't include that was somewhat interesting given the long history of the town.

Either way I hope you enjoyed this lengthy read, no better way to end the year with one final effortpost for 2022. Have a wonderful new years friends!

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MINOR UPDATE: Srdines smugpost over the whole thing; users with millions of Reddit karma tut tut about terminally online jannies

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Shit is popping off and n8 is going out with a bang. Here is his thread wherein he admits to doing what he could to break as many of @Merari’s mops as possible before leaving:

https://old.reddit.com/r/N8theGr8/comments/x0piec/this_is_un8thegr8_im_back_to_explain_why_i/?sort=controversial

Which is apparently what this blossoming mop war is about.

This is coming to a head a few days after the Kiwis doxxed Merari (his name is Joost for God’s sake) which you can read about here:

https://rdrama.net/post/95174/marseykiwi2pat-update-maybe-pictures-kiwicel-claims

Snappy in that thread should have an archive of the Farms post since KF is still down until later today. It’s a ride.

This is all presumably coming to a head because of Merari’s well-documented, passionate, months-long defense of child rapist Aimee Challenor.

Slack leaks coming soon, will flair thread when updated. Wanna get this posted rn so the Reddit post can be archived.

CHRONOLOGICAL OVERVIEW TO DATE

TW: MELODRAMA

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SECOND UPDATE

Killhacks, whose tongue is permanently lodged up Merari’s butt, has noticed this thread almost immediately. Make an account and talk to us babe SEE UPDATE #3

Hey Femilip - it’s not n8. You can see cuz there’s a reply to his ping in one of the screens and it doesn’t have that tasteful green (yellow? am colorblind ) highlight. Also, timestamps. Both are relatively easily falsified, yeah, but I really don’t have time for that and I’m offended at the suggestion that I do.

Hi conalfisher! I still wish you’d join us for real :(

THIRD UPDATE

The groomercord user/Reddit mod there, “killhacks” is actually @tardkiller on this very website!

Here is a screenshot of his profile as I am expecting him to nuke its content imminently. Unfortunately, you can’t delete the account itself. rDrama is proudly GDPR noncompliant!

FOURTH UPDATE

Timestamps scrubbed from this other leaker by request.

I have a short presentation to give in a few, I’ll be back with more in a bit x

FIFTH UPDATE

A small one but significant? N8 is leading the charge away from Reddit and into the great outdoors lol

UPDATE 5.5 /u/CONALFISHER HAS ASSIMILATED INTO @conalfisher

SIXTH UPDATE

Million-karma Reddit poweruser /u/esoterix_luke has just groomercord dropped the tail end of a fight with merari via their Slack dms! Can Merari survive this fallout? Can Reddit survive losing TWO of its 20-hour-a-day volunteers in a month? (yes, jannies are infinitely replaceable)

rDrama user has tea on Luke:

SEVENTH UPDATE

Powerjannies are revealing their chad rDrama accounts to clown on Merari

And /u/esoterix_luke comes in hot with another Slack leak!

EIGHTH UPDATE - /r/CenturyClub leaks!

N8 has crossposted his assault on Merari to /r/centuryclub which is apparently a sub only for people with >100k karma or something?

disturbing allegations

Jannie to the jannies yalls the yallers and tells them to move to an even more exclusive subreddit lol

continued discussion of the yalling

assorted poweruser pearlclutching

Here we have a volunteer online janitor comparing Reddit moderation to work with NGOs and assorted charities. This isn't quite on the level of the guy who once essayed at me about how it's the same as working in a soup kitchen or homeless shelter, but it's close.

n8, as /u/karmanacht, explains why he left and why he's back (to piss Merari off 💜)

Some guy comes out very pro-n8 and gives a timeline of events that I'm not reading because I don't care that much. It looks good, though. You should read it.

And finally, for now, some randos also joining #TeamN8. Is it over for Joost?

EIGHT AND A HALFETHTHTH MINI UPDATE

Merari seems to have lost control of Groomercord

Jannies keep dunking on him with this too -

https://twitter.com/reddit_lies/status/1530745620859961346?t=tEjGJ60KSQhTlYdM1H2OIw&s=19

NINTH UPDATE - it has moved to /r/CenturyClubDrama

For a summary of this update, please just look at this helpful summary from the #3 moderator on Reddit, /u/RamsesThePigeon:

The explanation:

Full imgur album of the /r/CenturyClubDrama thread for anyone who wants to stink of corn chips for a few weeks:

https://i.imgur.com/a/OTiMG6K

To clarify, /u/RamsesThePigeon really is the #3 biggest powermod now that N8 is gone. Source:

He jannies 187 million Redditors. FOR FREE

Some random fricking Merari essay about the whole thing that I’m not reading. Something about queerphobia. Racism. Sexism. You know the drill by now:

REMINDER THAT MERARI01 SPENT MONTHS DEFENDING CHILD RAPIST AIMEE CHALLENOR AND STILL FEELS THAT REDDIT SHOULD HAVE KEPT HER

Some rando powerjannie telling Merari that his fanaticism for volunteering for a multibillion dollar global corporation is unhealthy and concerning just now:

TENTH UPDATE

just for you bb

/u/I_PUNCH_INFANTS if you join rDrama and post itt I’ll hook you up with an exclusive bluecheck like I did for Conal and Phoenix. That’s a 100k dramacoin value. FOR FREE.

TENTH POINT FIVETH UPDATE

Powerjannie /u/I_PUNCH_INFANTS now has an rDrama presence as @I_PUNCH_INFANTS 🤗

ELEVENTH UPDATE

I think it’s winding down now. For the day at least. Merari is Dutch so it’s quite late there and this is to be expected. Here are some leaks from his personal Slack:

So the show has released, and as expected by anyone with a brain, it sucks. However it seems to have sucked more than anyone could have predicted. This might legitimately darn Bethesda lmao.

First, here is a comment from this thread explaining how they absolutely butchered world building (this show is canon btw):

So, in summary, if I understand correctly, these are the major changes:

- Shady Sands got cratered in 2277

- NCR vertibird downed on the strip

- The Strip barricades are gone

- Vault Tec seemed to have caused the Great War

- The Boneyard is no longer a thing

- Shady Sands is in place of the Boneyard

- NCR Rangers are gone

- Aradesh is no longer the founder of Shady Sands (more speculatory)

- Somehow the Brotherhood seemed to have overran the NCR in 2277

What I can't believe is that they actually retconned the original two Fallout games and that nobody won New Vegas. Even more egregious is the lore change with the BoS-NCR war, which retcons THE ENTIRETY OF F:NV. This has to be a new timeline at this point.

TL:DR is they literally retconned the 3 games they didn't make, and then replaced the factions from those games with very special factions they made from the 2 games they developed themselves. This is like a bad fanfiction lol.

People predicably, are mad. Some seethe:

Jesus. I genuinely can't believe I was actually letting myself be excited for the future of this franchise before this release. Completely retconning the original games is genuinely fricking so sad man.

When is it said aradesh is no longer the founder of shady sands?

Also when do we see the ncr vertibird crashed on the strip?

It's never said by Moldaver, but it seems to be implied that she founded Shady Sands in addition to being the remaining NCR leader. This is speculation, and it probably shouldn't be listed as an actual change.

Vertibird: https://i.imgur.com/a/5ygLxmK

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So even though it's been established that Shady Sands is in an entirely different state of the new california Republic from the boneyard, they just slapped it right into los angeles, and then they nuked it, why???

What even is a Shady Sands? Has anyone else wondered why they named the first game Fallout 3 by the way? Wacky Bethesda xD

That's not a nuke crater, that's a "Borg scooped up the settlement" crater. This is dumb.

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I knee it.

I just knew it.

I prayed it wasnt the case but at any opportunity they had, Bethesda tried to retcon New Vegas and now their efforts... went nuclear.

Hate it. HATE IT. HATE IT.

New Vegas is the Canon version of events. Not some Amazon show.

I fricking knew Todd would frick it over to create their version of Fallout artificially. I fricking hate it. I was fine with a scenario where the NCR loses in Vegas, but to just extensively rewrite the lore of Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas to jerk off the BoS even more? Fricking dead to me.

Says you, but Bethesda owns the franchise and this is the direction they took. They entirely retconned the fallout games they did not make, and they've succeeded. Next season they'll go and show New Vegas as a dead husk bereft of anything that made it special. Enjoy!

Also, they do not care anymore. They are owned by Microsoft now and exist to make xbox and live games.

Look, I am very good at that. My Canon Star Wars are the old Comic books with sea dragons and Jaxxon the green rabbit. I literally ignored anything that came after that.

So I will need to ignore Bethesda to keep the correct Canon? Boo f#₪#^ hoo. They didnt get even a passable game out in the last 12 years!

I walked the Divide for the NCR, I can ignore Bethesda for them as well.

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Haven't watched the show yet as I sail the high seas but this ending sounds very, very annoying. Seems like the show starts off well though but if what I'm seeing here is the case I'll be pretty fricking ticked that they essentially made the West the same as the East in terms of development and that they made NV mean nothing.

NV was entirely retconned. The casinos are literally husks and the city is dead. NCR died when Shady Sands (located in the wrong place) was blown up by one guy.

Christ alive 🤦🏿‍♂️. They should've atleast had some obsidian writers and lorekeepers there to keep things consistent. This is just laziness. I'm not one of those people who thinks Bethesda despises obsidian but like cmon.

It's not laziness. It was a deliberate choice.

Resetting to a status quo of “muh wasteland” absolutely is laziness

Its funny because there is a meme that Bethesda is spite driven because obsidian made a better fallout game than bethesda and the metacritic score 83, 85 thing FNV being retconned is funny knowing the meme

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I hate it all.

The NCR was written out as a society entirely. The writers I guess just learned about shady sands and went 'oh its the capital so if we blow it up then the NCR will collapse.'

The NCR was such a good faction, it was the only one that actually grew, that had a familiar functioning postwar society. And what did they do? They nuked them out of existence to show off the brotherhood and a dead, empty New Vegas.

Why, why would they do this.. they could have made it right after the nuking not decades after. They pissed all over the legacy of my favourite game.

I blame Lonesome Road and Chris Avellone.

I can't hold him responsible for this, he had enough sense to know how big the NCR was and how the game world worked. That's why Ulysses wanted to destroy the Long 15 and block them from reaching the Mojave.

To me, Fallout stood apart for being a post-post-apocalyptic story. Just nuking the NCR not only strips away one of the most interesting aspects of the setting but does it, to my eyes, entirely unnecessarily. If you wanted to tell a wasteland story, you could have:

• Set it between Fallout 1 and 2, or even before Fallout 1

• Set it in one of the vast regions of America that are untouched by the games thus far

But no. Fricking why?

I knew this would happen the moment I've heard the name Todd Howard.

It really feels like they asked BETHESDA for the lore, and they said 'oh well you got the Brotherhood of Steel who have this big airship and vertibirds and huge machine guns that can only be wielded in power armor.'

then went 'oh there's this group called the NCR, I think they're from shady sands or something, you can blow them up for shock value it'll be fine. There's also this big place called New Vegas you can turn into a dump too who cares lmao.'

"heh heh heh that'll teach 'em to like obsidian's game more than ours*

Honestly I am becoming one of those people more and more by the minute, especially if their plans for New Vegas next season are what they seem to be.

somehow palpatine returned

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So what did house predict then if it was vault tec who dropped the bombs. So Mr house knew the nukes where coming and still couldn't shoot them down or get the plat chip

Also it says shady shands fell in 2277 but new vegas is set in 2281 ?

I guess NV is just entirely retconned in the show? NV is dead, empty. The only places that exist are a half dozen towns outside of the city itself. The casinos are gutted entirely aside from the Lucky 38 which I guess House lives in still? He would be waking up just as the NCR was probing into NV, Caesar's Legion would be on it's way as well. Big MT is still abducting people.. The Brotherhod wouldn't have lost at Helios One but also now have infinite energy so why would they even care?

The entirity of FNV was fought over a dam, water and power.. Now the BOS has infinite clean and renewable fusion.. the NCR doesn't exist either.

So they're using the facade of 1, 2 and NV as a backdrop for more BoS shenanigans from Bethesda's mainline games.

Maaaaan

This is what I was afraid of. A good show based in world building that I think is fundamentally uninteresting.

I'm probably just gonna separate it out as its own thing in my head, no matter how canon Todd says it is.

This is what everyone paying attention was afraid of, but they got shot down as alarmist for daring to suggest the brilliant creative minds behind Starfield might provide a shite backdrop for worldbuilding.

He was in a meeting to know exactly when it would happen and was wrong.. somehow.

Did he not read the memo?

Fallout new vegas mr house : I was able to almost accurately predict a nuclear war and I have set the pieces for my rise to power after I come back online

Tv show Mr House : Shieeeeeeeet I ain't reading all that I'm just gonna pretend I read this

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To everyone saying the NCR is totally collapsed.

I highly doubt it. It seems after Shady Sands was nuked the NCR was a bit scrappy but pulling itself together to keep everything afloat, with the BOS destroying the HQ and the view of the NCR leader using the Cold Fusion to power the entire city at once, it shows the civilians of the NCR are still existing at least throughout the entire ruins in some way.

I imagine next season, we're gonna see the BoS biting way more than it can Chew, and something with New Vegas as well, and with the father constantly mentioning something about "Meeting your Creators." How much you wanna bet Mr House is technically still alive? Just New Vegas went into dormancy??

Im excited to see potentially the NCR Regrouping or like Scrappy NCR rebels, and Desert Rangers in the Mojave. I highly doubt the NCR is done and over with from what we saw.

Whatever your opinions on it, retconning NV out of the timeline (which is exactly what they've done) frickin sucks.

Yeah.. But at least it isn't like a straight full on they don't even exist kind of retcon. Seems more like a soft reboot

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Hello fellow spoiler fiends who went straight to the end and saw the New Vegas tease. Also, from what I gathered skipping around, the MC's father was a Vault Tec guy who nuked Shady Sands because her mother went there and was having a great time (missed a bunch of dialogue skipping through so that might not be right). The Brotherhood has cold fusion now and the guy in charge seems like a peepee so presumably they will butt up against whoever is now in charge of House's technology.

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Dude wtf happened to the NCR? Didn't they say they had most of California pretty much colonized? I'm only on episode 4 but complete radio silence while it takes place near the boneyard and dayglow??

Episode 8 covers it.

It's not pretty.

About 5 years after New Vegas, Lucy's Mom left vault 33 to see if life was back on the surface, taking Lucy and her brother with her, and made her way to Shady Sands, which teleported to LA at some point. Her dad, who was a Vault-Tec executive came after them, stole the kids back, and use Vault-Tec's secret supply of nuclear weapons (The ones they launched to start the great war) to destroy the NCR, as they were a competitor to Vault-Tec.

Also, the ending credits show a destroyed New Vegas, with empty streets full of shattered Secuiritrons and a destroyed NCR Vertibird.

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I also wanted to mention this specific comment, because I found it funny:

They also technically retconned FO4 since Kellogg mentions the NCR election.

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Note that I'm not cherry picking comments here, basically everyone hates this garbage. Of course the critics love it, but the actual Fallout fans think it's terrible.

As one of the comments already mentioned, they really shouldn't have set this in the West Coast. They should have set it somewhere new for numerous reasons:

• New factions and threats to add a sense of tension and mystery as the viewer wouldn't know anything more than the main character

• Avoid having to retcon or step on the toes of the games

• Keep it in a region that is less advanced so you can have your apocalypse fantasy

• Set the show up as a prequel for Fallout 5, building hype for it even if it's years away.

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Expect this thread to be updated as more seethe is posted, this is developing drama. In a few hours we will probably see the hitpieces from journ*lists calling the haters bigots, so keep an eye out for that.

Edit: here are more threads with tons of seethe in them:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Fotv/comments/1bt7fzx/fallout_spoiler_master_thread/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Fotv/comments/1bt7fzx/fallout_spoiler_master_thread/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1c17tyn/spoilers_about_the_ncr/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1c17mrr/discussion_about_the_ncr_in_the_tv_show/?sort=controversial

dear god this one is maximum cope: https://old.reddit.com/r/Fotv/comments/1c185mn/my_theories_for_season_2_and_possible/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/Fotv/comments/1c15tey/so_does_the_show_take_place_in_an_alternate/?sort=controversial