neofoids are discussing whether cisbians are entitled to their own spaces, the results wont surprise you.

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No its not. Cis lesbians are the oppressors and there is no reason for them to have their own space. Its like arguing for white people to have their own space, or for straight people to have their own space. There is no reason for it. Yes cis lesbians and cis women are opressed but not by trans people and so no reason to exclude trans lesbians

In what ways do cis lesbians "oppress" transbians (sic) by barring them from areas where same-s*x attracted females congregate? Making our own spaces and barring s from having s*x with women, how oppressive! The "oppression" of lesbians who do not wish to strip and sleep with these filthy males is the "cotton ceiling" that transgender people are fighting to transcend.

Being a trans woman is a material fact that requires the precondition of being born or assigned male at birth. ONLY those assigned male at birth can be in the category of trans women.

Maybe we should use this material fact that distinguishes trans women from actual women to define s*x.... It makes little sense that being a woman is a "identity" while being a TIM is a "material conidtion." They claim that a woman cannot identify as a trans woman, yet this seems to be a claim made arbitrarily. If TIMS don't have an identity because they are born male, then women also don't have an identity because they are born female.

The paradox is caused by their constant need for confirmation as usual. They want to identify as women, but they also want the oppression that comes with being a "trans woman." Therefore, being a woman must be a free for all, but being a trans woman is not. However, "cis women" are not permitted to exclude "trans women".